In today’s episode of Key Ministry: The Podcast, Beth pulls up a chair to chat with Katie Mitchell, Skeeter Powell and Keith Finch of David’s Table.
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Hi friends, I’m Beth Golik, and in today’s episode of Key Ministry: The Podcast, I am delighted to introduce you to some friends I met during the Disability & The Church 2023 conference that Key Ministry hosted in Cleveland, Ohio this past April. Whether you are a ministry leader looking to launch or grow a disability ministry, or you are from a family impacted by disability, I think you will learn something from them today. Not to mention, I think you will enjoy hanging out with Katie, Skeeter and Keith as much as I did. So let’s pull up a chair to David’s Table.
Beth Golik: Well, I am so happy to have the crew from David's Table here today. So as I mentioned, I met them at Disability & The Church 2023, and I just think they have a really cool story to share, plus I think they're really cool people. So I'm going to have you each introduce yourselves and then tell us a little bit about David's Table.
Skeeter Powell: I'm Skeeter Powell. I am the storyteller-in-chief with David's Table, and just honored to be there just to be a part.
Katie Mitchell: I'm Katie Mitchell, I'm the executive director.
Keith Finch: And I'm Keith Finch. I'm the program director.
Skeeter Powell: About 23 years ago, Ben Brewer came to a meeting where I was and he was in a power chair, he has cerebral palsy. He introduced me to the world of folks with disabilities. In 2010, David's Table was formed. We have tried to figure out what we were doing, and two and a half years ago we really came to grips with things that needed to be. A fellow came along and said, David's Table's pretty good, but Skeeter's old and we'll do this if you don't mind. We'll give you a lump of money and you've got to do three things to get it. You got to match the funds, you got to come up with a strategic plan, and you got to come up with a succession plan. And it was the best thing that ever happened to me that that was the direction we went. It was a very good thing that happened with David's Table, and it was a wonderful thing that happened with our friends with disabilities and their families.
Katie Mitchell: So during COVID, I became the board chair as we were making all this transition, and it became very clear to us that we needed to create a focus on adults with disabilities out of high school. We found that to be a large void of provided services, events, connection, and community. Our families were very isolated on the margins, and although a small group of us who had been traveling through life together for about a decade were very close, we knew of tons of families that were really struggling. So we focused on adults out of high school and their families, creating community, connecting to resources, and making disciples.
Keith Finch: I actually get to do all the fun stuff. At that same time of COVID, I retired from special education teacher for 34 years. I had been involved with Skeeter and Katie and Brian through Young Life Capernaum. So the nice part of my job is I get to just plan the fun things and do all of the activities, which we'll talk more about in a minute. Katie has to reign us in sometimes as we were talking about those blank spots on the calendar that I would like to see filled with activities. Every now and then she has to make us pull the reins in.
Katie Mitchell: We get pretty excited.
Beth Golik: Well, I love this because you have just so completely described what organizations and ministries need to think through. Skeeter, can you just one more time, give me the three. It was matching funds and a succession plan and what was the middle one? What was the second one?
Skeeter Powell: A succession plan and a strategic plan.
Beth Golik: Strategic plan. Strategic plan. Okay. Thank you. And those are three areas that every organization, every ministry needs to think about so that's great.
Skeeter Powell: Well, I'm going to go ahead and confess that I have no administrative bones in my body. My leadership style has been, I piddle with Jesus. Now, I don't piddle with Jesus, but alongside Jesus and some wonderful things have happened, but until we were able to provide some leadership in the best sense of the word and some structure to the ministry at that point, it just exploded. It was wonderful and scary at the same time the things that have happened since we have real leadership, administrative skills even.
Beth Golik: Well, and that's the beauty of having a team because your gifting, you are chief storyteller, but maybe administration isn't your gift. And you've brought people together that each have... They're pointing at Katie.
Skeeter Powell: Well, one little correction there. I'm the storyteller in chief…
Beth Golik: Storyteller in chief I'm sorry.
Skeeter Powell: Chief is my dog, I'm not chief of anything.
Katie Mitchell: And I love the point that you just made, Beth. So just as Jesus surrounded himself with a wide variety of people, his disciples, you could not get in some ways a more motley crew or different bunch. We are very much that way.
We find strength and collaboration in recognition that God knit us together as a group, and that no one, not a single one of us is… we're a part of the whole. And so the beautiful mosaic that God creates, just putting all of our best parts together and all of our broken pieces together to fit into a more beautiful creation. We do not do it perfectly, but just as I love structure, Skeeter has also that friction, and rubbing against his freedom to move without planning has been very good for me and very good for the organization. You need both, so I would say the challenge to any ministry startup or established is to collaborate. Don't have a hierarchy that's so restrictive and rule-bound and structured that you can't move and flow because it is not a box. It is in no way a box.
Beth Golik: I love that. I love that. And collaboration is one of those keywords or values that Key Ministry has too. We really value collaboration with other ministries, and I just think that's how we can advance the movement and grow the kingdom.
Katie Mitchell: Yes, I agree.
Keith Finch: And when we came to the conference we did learn a great deal, but I think one of the takeaways for me was we were expecting everybody else to have it all down to a tee and have just perfectly structured and we were going to learn from that but we learned that no one has it all together. And it made me think about back at Christmas, I think we were all pulling our hair out with different things that were going on and we were getting stressed. And Katie was reading from the story of Jesus's birth, and he was born in a messy, dirty, smelly, stable. And so she kind of coined a phrase: hot mess, dirty stable, that's us, David's Table.
Beth Golik: I love it. And it rhymes.
Keith Finch: Some good things came out of that dirty stable with Jesus, and that's what we're hoping with us too. Yes. And I think maybe Skeeter and I being a little bit more free flowing are good for Katie and then she's good for us also that we do need a little bit of structure.
Beth Golik: Yeah, I love it. Good teamwork. So kind of how this came to be, individuals and families that experienced that transition cliff…so when kids are in high school, there's a lot of hours of programming and community and opportunities, and then it poof, kind of disappears and I'm sure particularly during COVID. So tell us a little bit about what some of the creative ideas, programs, solutions that David's Tables has come up with.
Katie Mitchell: I just want to say one thing. So to have an accurate vision of what it looked like during that time you have to remember what it was before we all knew what Zoom was like. Zoom was not anything that any of us really experienced on our-
Beth Golik: Well, except for Key Ministry. We like to say we were Zooming before it was cool, but most other people, no. Yeah.
Katie Mitchell: No, we were not cutting edge at all. And so we used Zoom to do a number of things before we could gather in person, including karaoke, hoedown, a virtual camp, all kinds of things.
Keith Finch: Art.
Katie Mitchell: Art, ukulele, yeah, all kinds of things. And in the process, in the messy technical craziness, it was just joy. That's all I can tell you, it was just joy. And then rolling off of that, Keith can talk a little bit more our programs have literally exploded.
Keith Finch: And now some of the way the program started, I'll use art as an example. When we were still more closely tied to Young Life Capernaum, several of us were picking up high school friends from the high school and bringing them to Club. Club didn't officially start till 5:30 and we were getting them there at 4:15, 4:30. And so one gentleman with ukulele, he had started back, he said, "Do you think some of your friends would like to play ukuleles?" And I think Skeeter has the best answer to this. Anytime somebody proposes something...
Skeeter Powell: I don't know, but I think we should try.
Keith Finch: And that's what we did with ukuleles. So we're playing ukuleles for about eight months to a year. And then we had one high school buddy who came and he was like, "I don't really want to play ukuleles, but I love art. Do you think any of our friends would like to do art?" And...
Skeeter Powell: I don't know, but I think we should try.
Keith Finch: So we started doing art and that's been our approach. There have been some things that haven't gone very well, but we have tried them. So if someone were wanting to start a program, I wouldn't say they necessarily have to start a ukulele band or do they have to start art classes, but there's someone in their community who has a gift or a passion that they would like to share with our friends. And then maybe try that. Maybe it's crocheting and knitting. I saw a group in Florida that does, they even have a T-shirt: Keep Calm and Knit On. And so who knows, we may start knitting. That's not my strength though.
Skeeter Powell: And sometimes we try stuff and it doesn't work, and then it comes back again. We had a garden at my son's house. It was a lot of work, and we got two nasty ears of corn, 10 green beans and zucchini squash that were a foot or a foot and a half long. That's too long. I was in charge and I didn't know what I was doing, but now we have two people who work with us who know what a garden is and how to grow vegetables and it's wonderful. Keith can tell you a little bit more about that.
Keith Finch: Yes, John Crawford, one of the gentlemen, he's tried to figure out what can we do to help our friends? So we've built raised beds for our friends that are in wheelchairs. They may not be able to go to the large garden proper, but he has planted zucchinis and beans, onions and tomatoes up there that they from their wheelchair can water, plant, harvest. They're able to fully participate. So his willingness to say, how can we make this work? Instead of saying, no, they can't do it, he was willing to figure out how can we make this work. So again, if somebody's wanting to start something, they need to find a John Crawford.
Katie Mitchell: I also want to reassure and encourage everyone that everything we've done has been scalable and custom. You can customize it to your own community, and all of these things have been borne out of opportunities and others who've been willing to step forward. So you do not have to have a lot to start, and you should scale it to your resources. That is probably the greatest job that I have as kind of a gatekeeper to put guardrails that we don't overextend ourselves. We love to provide opportunities for our friends to connect, for our families, to have a chance for moms and caregivers to have a bit of a break or an opportunity to connect while their adult is engaged in a meaningful activity. Everything we do is undergirded by the gospel where we may be playing adaptive tennis and having lunch with our friends, but we have a prayer, we have a small devotion. We're connecting them in many times repeated experiences together.
And so that knits community very strongly together for the parents as much as it does for our friends. Also, most of our David's Table families there's not many that I know of that do every single thing we do. And I'm a mother as well, I have three daughters with disabilities, and one of the reasons we offer varied programming on different days is what might work for one family may not work for another as well as interests as well as calendars. Not that anyone who's listening to us has any challenges with their calendars at all. But I would caution you, there is an ease at saying, well, this is working. Let's add this, this, and this. We have been tempered as we've gotten bigger. The last thing we want to do is not be able to love all of our friends and families well. And so we don't add anything without being sure we can maintain and staff it from a volunteer perspective and we have resources to support it.
We are still, however, very dependent in our planning. Meaning that often because of the changes that are happening so quickly we're literally preparing for things hopefully a couple of days before they're heading, but trying to get to a week before they're heading. But that's the pace we're at right now.
Skeeter Powell: And all the things that we've talked about program-wise so far come out of a Monday night Bible study and a weekend retreat for families. And I'll let folks talk about that a little bit.
Katie Mitchell: Well, I can talk about Camp David if that's something that Beth would like to hear about.
Beth Golik: Sure, yeah.
Katie Mitchell: Okay. All right.
Beth Golik: But before because our audience might not know, tell us a little bit about where you're located. So who you're serving, and then tell us about the camp.
Katie Mitchell: Okay, so we are in the upstate of South Carolina. We have families scattered throughout the upstate with the greatest concentration in Greenville. And because of growth in January of this year, we launched a second location with a group in Anderson County in Powdersville, Piedmont area. So on Monday nights now we have three campuses. We have a Greenville campus that meets, a Powdersville campus that meets, and a virtual campus on Zoom. We have kept Zoom on Monday nights since COVID. We have out-of-state participants who even come to our weekend retreat camp so those three campuses are very healthy. You're talking between right now in the summer we had 90 last night, but we average over 100 usually for Monday nights. Monday is our cornerstone foundational ministry.
We have lots of interest in even the surrounding cities and counties within our own state, and in fact, as a result of that this year coming to Disability & the Church and meeting a lot of people we've even got in the state of North Carolina and a few other places that are quite interested in seeing if they too can do something like we're doing. And I want anyone who hears me say this, your community can do this. So it is, we are parents, lovers of Jesus first and foremost, and we're imperfect people, but we're making it work. And God, God is the one growing it. We're planting, we're watering diligently, but He truly is the one making it grow. And so faithfulness and it didn't grow overnight to what it is now. You heard Skeeter say it started in 2010, and though just like any tree that starts, once it gets any kind of growth going it can just shoot all over. That's the growth stage or season we're in right now. And so about camp...
Keith Finch: Yes.
Katie Mitchell: Okay, I'll let Keith talk about camp.
Keith Finch: Many of our friends came out of Young Life Capernaum, and they were familiar with going to summer camp. And so for a few years they kept saying, "I wish we could go to camp." And I'm like, well, Young Life stops at high school or at 21. So in the midst of COVID though, we decided that we would do a camp. It was primarily virtual on Zoom as Skeeter and Katie have said, but we did do, our friends participated in a service project for people that were working on a local prison, correctional facility. So we raided Big Lots, I think we got banned from Big Lots because we bought 200 tubes of toothpaste and 200 toothbrushes and et cetera, et cetera.
And so in the drive-by, a local church had some costumes, superhero costumes and Toy Story costumes and we dressed up and our friends did a drive-by and they picked up all these supplies and then took them home. And then over the next few nights also we had lessons. We also, as Katie said, we celebrated at the end with a virtual hoedown, and then our friends came back for another drive through to drop off their finished products. And I think we had 200?
Katie Mitchell: 200.
Beth Golik: Wow, that's amazing.
Keith Finch: And so as we were doing the debrief afterwards we're like, okay, that went well. What can we do better? One friend of ours, Merritt Anderson, said, "Next year we need to do this in person." And we're all like, yeah, right, sure. But we did. So in 2021 we worked and we went to Carolina Point. It's a Young Life camp in Brevard, North Carolina where we had 187 people.
Beth Golik: Wow.
Keith Finch: That's friends, family and buddies and work crew, and it was a great success. And then last year in 2022, we were at 370. I'm looking at Katie, 375 total people. And we were in the process of, we're going to open up registration in another week and a half and we're anticipating over 500, which is about the limit of the camp I believe. So yes, this just went again, like I was saying with other programming, somebody saying we should do this in person. And our first thought was, ah, yeah. But yes so camp has been wonderful. And if you've ever been to a Young Life camp, we have a similar flavor. There's some singing, there's some funny skits, more worshipful singing, time of prayer, teaching, but then there's also go-karts.
Now I'm digressing for a moment. Skeeter is wonderful with this. I get to do the fun things, but Skeeter constantly reminds me that our goal is discipleship and relationship with our friends. Tennis is just a tool or gardening is just a tool. It's the vehicle that we use to build those relationships, but not to get focused on making ukuleles the best ukulele band ever. But no, it's a time to build relationships and disciple our friends. So he's a good reminder.
Beth Golik: That's a really good reminder. Yeah.
Katie Mitchell: I'd like to add one comment to that. For our families, we catch them off guard. Moms and dads are not used to camp. I would like to encourage any of you who've never experienced having parents go to camp to consider that. We have found some ways and would welcome anyone who would like a look and see to just reach out to us and happy to connect and share. The moms and dads who go there not knowing what to expect, many of them are non-believers. Even though we are discipling their children, they see us more for respite and a place to park their adult and give them some time off. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm not condemning them or judging them, but I want y'all to know that when you get that mom or dad in camp and they are surrounded by a number of others who are in similar circumstances yet walking with such radiant joy, they want that and they want to know how.
When they look at this woman who has 10 special needs children that she's adopted, how she has so much joy. God does some amazing things in that kind of environment. So I would encourage you although I'm not going to lie, it is hard work. It is beautiful hard work, and we old people are exhausted when it's all over with, but man, we are also so excited right now looking forward. We're in camp planning season and we're like a bunch of squirrels jumping all over the place.
Beth Golik: I love it. I love it. I love that your mission is all about discipleship and it's so important and I love all the ways you are being creative. Katie, I love what you said about not forgetting the parents because it's building those relationships and allowing them to see how others are living their life in Christ and how... Yes. Yes. So this is good. Good stuff.
Katie Mitchell: Yeah.
Beth Golik: Yeah.
Katie Mitchell: So tell the story…
Skeeter Powell: It would be good to say, where did the name David's Table come from? And it might also be good to say, the Monday night Bible study is E210. Where did that come from?
Beth Golik: Yes, please do tell that story.
Skeeter Powell: Well, David's Table's, 2 Samuel 9 is the story of David becoming king. Saul had died, Jonathan Saul's son had died leaving Mephibosheth as a child. Mephibosheth had been dropped as a baby, he's crippled in both feet. He goes to see David expecting not the best. And that day and time folks who were related to the king might be dispatched because they would be a threat to the throne. Though Mephibosheth gets an appointment with David. His opening line is, "What do you have to do with a dog like me?" Which I think a lot of people feel like that, Mephibosheth, in that day and time being crippled in both feet, that would be a good opening line.
David's response to that is to give Mephibosheth, all of Saul's assets, land and animals. The Bible says he had 36 men, and I suspect that means a whole bunch of women to do the work of caring for Mephibosheth and his land and animals. But the main thing and where the name comes from is Mephibosheth had an invitation to take all his meals at David's Table. We are inviting our friends with disabilities and their families to come and participate with the king.
E210?
Keith Finch: Well, do you want or me?
Katie Mitchell: All I want to say is before he explains where E210 came from, for us at DATC when we went to Disability & the Church this year, the very first thing that we saw when we walked to the top of the stairs was the classroom that takes place in E210. In His image is the name of this, right?
Beth Golik: Yep. It's in His Image and it's my church's adult Sunday school for individuals with disabilities.
Skeeter Powell: If I can interrupt just a little bit. When Young Life said, our friends with disabilities are just like everybody else, and when they graduate from high school they're done with Young Life. Which was hard to hear, but is appropriate. One of the mothers, Susan, called me and said, we need to meet. And when we got together Keith was there with his wife and Susan said, "I cannot tell Allie she can't come to Young Life anymore. We are going to start something, aren't we?" with her hand around my collar. And I said, yes ma'am, we are. And E210 is a core part of David's Table, and Susan still leads that.
Katie Mitchell: That's our director.
Keith Finch: So as Skeeter was saying, our Bible study originally about eight or nine years ago now we were just a continuation of Young Life Capernaum, and our friends who had graduated even years before that were still coming. And Young Life did appropriately say, you have 35-year olds in there with 15 year olds, you can't do that. But as Susan said, we want it to continue. So we got together to figure out how are we going to make this Bible study club continuation? E210 is short for Ephesians 2:10, and it's twofold. We are God's masterpiece and we want our friends to know that just like out of Psalms 139, "You are fearfully and wonderfully made. You are God's masterpiece created perfectly the way He wanted you to." The second part of the verse though is, "Created to do good works."
We want our friends to know you are not just a recipient. So often in the disability community, our friends get used to just receiving, but we want our friends to know you have a mission that God created you for. And that may be putting together those hygiene kits, it may be serving in the garden because then from the garden, we take the plants that we sell. We have a garden market on Saturdays and last year we raised over $5,000 that we were able to use for scholarships for families to go to camp. So yes, E210 is Ephesians 2:10. We are God's masterpiece created to do good works in Christ Jesus.
Katie Mitchell: And that's our Monday night Bible study that has usually over 100 participants every Monday and it started out a few years ago. Gosh, it's been in how many years now?
Keith Finch: Eight or nine.
Katie Mitchell: Eight or nine years maybe with 17, 14 or 17 participants.
Beth Golik: Wow. This is also good. And the E210 story, I mean, Katie, when you shared that with me during the conference I mean it absolutely just made me cry because to see, I don't know, only God could orchestrate that, right?
Katie Mitchell: Right.
Beth Golik: I mean that's so cool. So cool.
Katie Mitchell: It was affirmation or confirmation for us that where we were supposed to be. We are a very dependent organization, very prayerfully dependent. In fact, this Thursday is our monthly prayer meeting and we pray over our ministry, we pray over our direction, we pray over our friends and their families, and we pray for God to lead us. And Disability & The Church was put on our radar at another trip that we had taken in obedience to Nashville after our last camp when a leader from Young Life, Pam Harmon, was told about as a speaker at Disability & The Church. And when we met with her, she said, "I really feel like you guys need to go to this."
We registered and I signed this up, we made an executive decision in the back of Skeeter's van driving back from Nashville. We signed up to sponsor and got us all signed up. We felt like that's where God was leading us. And so when we walked, I still get goosebumps, but when we walked to the top of the stairs and I saw that sign, I got teary-eyed and just feeling like, wow, God, thank you. Thank you for confirmation that we're where we need to be meeting the people that we need to meet.
Beth Golik: And who knows what connections have been made and where that will lead? And I want to thank you all for really being discerning and for being obedient. And it's just fun for me to hear and see what you're going to do next. So thank you. I want to give people the opportunity. Can you direct us to your website and how can people who maybe aren't in your geographic area... For instance, can people participate in the virtual Bible study?
Katie Mitchell: Yes.
Beth Golik: Tell us about that.
Katie Mitchell: Our website is davidstableonline.org. All one word. So D-A-V-I-D-S-T-A-B-L-E-O-N-L-I-N-E.org. If you go to our website, every single page has a signup button. What are you signing up for? You're signing up for a newsletter. Our newsletter is meant to be friendly to an end user. So when you get it and it's repetitive, every week when you get it's meant to be accessible to our friends to sign up for things on their own. And so that is intentional. Any of those who work with those with variant disabilities know that familiarity for navigation is very helpful. It's an accessibility tool. So our Zoom links are on there, all our programming is on there. I also encourage you to follow us on Facebook or Instagram. Easy to find us really and that gives you a good idea of some of the things we're doing. We have a lot of one-off socials, all kinds of stuff that we do, and you might like we do get some ideas from other organizations.
That collaboration's very, very helpful and important, and we partner with a lot of local ministries too so you'll also get some great ideas from that as well. So you can sign up for the newsletter, you'll get that, that'll give you access to anything and everything that we're doing. And also on our newsletter as well as our website, there's a way to contact us. I do want to share one part of our programming that we did not mention that is a critical part of our mission and that is connecting, which I know this plays to what you all do at Key Ministry. Davis Table's not a church. We have a lot of unchurched families in our ministry, a lot of unchurched families who believe in Jesus and use us as church and we're not church. So connecting our families and friends to church is one of our key goals in our ministry, and we do this through our program called First Sundays. We have several churches that are collaborative partners with us, community partners with us that help us to bridge the gap between our families and a church.
And what that looks like as a quick snapshot is I'm the mom with a daughter in a wheelchair, my daughter, and I'm speaking, I am a mom with a daughter in a wheelchair. Becca has a 420 pound power wheelchair. She's autistic, has seizures, and she has a visual deficit. I'm coming to visit your church. There's some immediate needs I have. We have a David's Table person who goes to that church who will meet them in the parking lot, let me know where I can park, make sure I know if I can get my daughter in the building and all that. Knows the campus, so they're kind of the buffer between me and accessing the facility. And any questions I have we leverage our relationship with our families to do that. And then on the flip side, for the congregation and the church who might not have a disability program, who might not have a single person with the disability in their whole body, they know me, the church member, the ambassador.
I'm confusing my roles here, but let's say Keith, who might be the ambassador, and they would go up to Keith and say, "Well, who's your friend?" They would feel comfortable approaching Keith where they might look at me, where I'm probably pretty defensive wondering if you're going to be nice to me and my child or not, but they would ask Keith questions they might not feel comfortable approaching me. The whole idea is there's been so much wounding that has happened to a lot of our families that they just don't want to go there again. And the only way they will go is if we can use our relationship and time and trust with them to say, we'll be there with you. We are going to be there with you to help you make that connection.
Keith Finch: And then as Katie said, we are not the church so I want to touch on one point. Part of David's Table is we're creating community between Sundays, which whether it's through the gardens, art, ukuleles. So it's not just Sundays though Sundays we want our families in church. And it does not have to be Grace where Katie goes or Brookwood where I go, because you may not be comfortable in a non-denominational type church that plays guitars. If you want to worship with pipe organs and incense, then let's help that Episcopalian or Catholic Church be greeting. But we're also while we make the connections there, we want to build that community Monday through Saturday and that's a large part of what we do.
Because as you mentioned, I would tell people if you ever think about the isolation that we felt in April and May of 2020 with COVID, we could not get out of our house. You weren't able to go anywhere. For many of our friends, that's day to day it was that way before COVID, and it's been that way since COVID.
So we're trying to get them out, build those relationships, make those connections, and create that community.
Beth Golik: Yeah, that's fantastic. I love the idea of creating community between Sundays, but then I love what you're doing to help plug people into the local church by having the ambassadors, the people that already have the relationship with the congregation, and then is a welcoming person for an incoming family. That's tremendous. Well, thank you. Skeeter, Katie, Keith, I just want to thank you for your time today. All of the links that they mentioned so that you can connect with David's Table, all of that will be in the show notes for this episode.
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